In this interview segment, which occurs very late in the interview, at 55:13 to 55:24, in the overall sound file of the interview, Lolly demonstrates with her second time saying the word that with a word like this which has a consonant cluster at the beginning of it, consisting of one stop consonant followed by another, one possible way to pronounce the consonant cluster is by having the vowel schwa in between the two stop consonants. This is handy for speakers of English to know when we are trying to say a word such as this, because in English we do not have such consonant clusters.