Light Pronunciations of the Ejective Affricate [ čʼ ]:  In our transcriptions of what she says in this interview segment, we give Lolly credit, so to speak, for having a light pronunciation of an ejective at the beginning of the second syllable of this word for the first and third times that she says the word in this interview segment.  With ejective ɑffricates such as [ čʼ ] the noisiness of the fricative release of the affricate makes it hard to hear the popping sound of an ejective.  However, the fact that we hear what we call a ‘heavy pronunciation’ of the ejective affricate in Lolly’s second time pronouncing this word in this interview segment is what makes us think that the first and third times saying the word have light ejective pronunciations.  That and how Jacobs heard Annie Miner Peterson say this word when dictating Milluk texts is what really tells us that Lolly might be trying to say an ejective in this word at all.